Quote: shortbus wrote in post #17

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for someone who grows organic, would you say the transition is easier, b/c feeding isn't a factor? or is that just a small portion of a wide array of things that you have to change if you switch to led?

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Quote: P J wrote in post #24

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Prices vary as you have will have a quite large shipping fee, so I tell everyone if you are planning to get one now and one later wait till you have enough for both. Not sure they will sell direct anymore without a minimum, but they seem to change their rules all the time on that.

If any of you have any issues with ordering LMK. I don't work and am not affiliated with them in any way, but I have been working with their tech's on improvements a couple of years.

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Glad you guys got the help you were looking for. LEDS,,,,,,,Just Playen Guys,,just playen. Couldnt help but jack with PJ a little bit.
Im watching and learning.

They use DHL White glove service and as far as I know that is the only option. As you have said they have been closed for the holidays and I have not talked to my girl for a couple of weeks.

I do have to say if you are planning to only get one unit you may have a problem. Last I heard they have a minimum now.

May be better of going with an Ebay shipper who sells the Blackstar Chrome series. Same light...

ERR Edit:

I have used other companies in the past, and have 4 other brands I use in different stages. I've not used anything that comes close in flowering. That said, I haven't paid more than about a dollar a watt, and don't feel anyone should have to...

You can pay more if ya like.
:)

PJ, what do you think about the Black Dog LED?

Quote: MR1 wrote in post #31

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PJ, what do you think about the Black Dog LED?

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We've had a couple of people ask about BD lights and, based on my research, I'm not a big fan. The lights themselves might be fine but they have a lot of misleading/bad information on their website which raises red-flags for me. If their lights are so good, then why bull people?

Thanks PJ. I am only asking because LG Led Solutions has what looks to be the same light for a lot cheaper than Black dog.

All public info with some time on your hands, but there are a whole lot of people/companies/branders making money being the middle man in the LED business right now. I find going straight to the source is key, and keeping it real, there aren't many. At least not worth a darn.

Wenn Sie hier auf Links zu eBay klicken und einen Kauf tätigen, kann dies dazu führen, dass diese Website eine Provision erhält.

Thanks again PJ, $ 346 plus $ 66 shipping for the 700w Mars 2. Good price?

Wenn Sie hier auf Links zu eBay klicken und einen Kauf tätigen, kann dies dazu führen, dass diese Website eine Provision erhält.

http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.XMars+2+Led+grow+lights&_nkw=Mars+2+Led+grow+lights&_sacat=0&_from=R40Sorry ,Hears the link

Wenn Sie hier auf Links zu eBay klicken und einen Kauf tätigen, kann dies dazu führen, dass diese Website eine Provision erhält.

Quote: MR1 wrote in post #35

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Thanks again PJ, $ 346 plus $ 66 shipping for the 700w Mars 2. Good price?

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Yup right above.

Wenn Sie hier auf Links zu eBay klicken und einen Kauf tätigen, kann dies dazu führen, dass diese Website eine Provision erhält.

Garbage, don't waste your money.

This is what real 700watts looks like:
Werbung: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2013-720w-FSF-Lig...=item43b18c6a25

OK man I will trust your judgment. I thought being LG might make them decent quality.

And that is what they are banking on. The LED business has been pretty shady in the past. You just have to weed through the BS.

its all in what your looking to do. plane and simple leds do grow plants . if your looking to give your room a boost in lumens along with your main light . you could get 3 or 4 mid grade led panels or ufo's and place them along the walls are under the plants growth level.this should give some boost in veg and in flower to. but if your looking to go pure led then you really cant afford to be cheap at point because if your going to spend 700 smacks on leds then you might as well get as much quality as you can. eazy way.. all you have to do is look for done led journals and pick the best leds that has the best results that you like and get them. why you ask?
1. you know they work you just saw it with your own eyes
2. ...............?

Quote: P J wrote in post #26

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Wanted to answer this one, and I did stare at it for a while, but honestly don't understand the question? The way I am reading it, not sure why organic would be any different then hydro, soiless, or any other way to grow.

Not sure how feeding isn't a factor? I can say that if your organic mix is hot, and your plants are on the edge of burning in it's mix with HID's they will surly fry with good LED's.

Light is food, and LED's put a lot more "Useable" light per watt and will fry a plant in 8 hrs if your mix is too hot.

Done it, not pretty.

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I e-mailed LG and this is what they said.

Zitat

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Hello MR1 where did they say our light not good because the cheap price? Can you show me the link?You know we are the biggest led grow light factory from Shenzhen,China we have warehouse in USA, UK, Australia. We are directly reail that’s why our price much cheaper than reseller also we have big sales. So we did the sea ship our cost cheaper than other small seller by DHL/FEDEX from china. I know resller,s price 200% or 300% higher than ours . but the quality same as ours there also have some twice expensive than ours but the quality lower. We are in the market over 5years befor we only do OEM for them since last year we do the retail some of the expensive brand also made by our company the quality same but them price 3times higher.

I know there also have people do not trust china seller, but all the led grow light made in china. Even from local seller.

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I also have read a thread at Grasscity about these lights and people are very happy with them. I was thinking about using one in my shed this summer to keep the heat down. Only a couple of plants. I could not justify spending over $1000 for a grow light but these Mars 2 lights I would give it a shot.

Some more info, they use epistar led's. This chart is provided by The Lighting Solutions.

Zitat

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The BIGGEST question: I see names such as CREE, Epistar, Ecosmart...which should I buy?

Good question and you certainly should be concerned with. The names you mentioned such as CREE, Epistar etc are the type of Chip / Driver that is used inside the LED bulb. The difference is simple…quality! They are ALL manufactured overseas (CREE, Epistar, Ecosmart etc). CREE is based in the USA, designed in the USA and set the standards for the HIGHEST Quality LED! CREE is by far the leading innovator of lighting-class LED’s…period! This is why their prices are much higher then other brands, but they do last much longer. We offer CREE at BELOW market prices. We also offer the second best which is Epistar, also at BELOW market prices.

Below is a good way to help you decide based on public feedback:

CREE: 50,000 to 100,000 hour Life Expectancy – Highest Standards
Epistar: 50,000 to 75,000 hour Life Expectancy – High Standards
Nichia: 50,000 to 75,000 hour Life Expectancy – High Standards
Bridgelux: 30,000 to 40,000 hour Life Expectancy – Medium Standards
Edison: 30,000 to 40,000 hour Life Expectancy – Medium Standards
Ecosmart: 10,000 to 25,000 hour Life Expectancy – Low Standards
Generic: 250 to 5,000 hour Life Expectancy – Lowest Standards

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Before ordering, How would I know if I'm getting the quality Apollo LED's I'm looking for, or on of the knock offs floating around?

And looks like I'm getting some good price quotes.

Personally I have to see an Apollo knockoff. Apollo's are sold direct from Cidly. The others floating around are middle man involved and anywhere from 30 to 100% higher.

But I have a better price quote's than Cidly's, and Fed-Ex shipped. I my have to look into that company more. I do know they are a Trading Company established in 2000, and Onsite checked. Taiwan EPI chip.
Maybe Cidly can do better with prices, I hope so, I would rather buy directly from the manufacturer.

On a different subject, having your wisdom tooth pulled sucks. Hydocodone's cool though. 3 more wisdom's to go.

Quote: shortbus wrote in post #43

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i got my answer. more usable light, so you don't have to feed as much.

i guess technically my question was, "how is feeding different under led?"

...how come a hot mix will fry a pant under LED? but not under HID or the sun? LED has more usable light then the sun?

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Wenn Sie hier auf Links zu eBay klicken und einen Kauf tätigen, kann dies dazu führen, dass diese Website eine Provision erhält.

Quote: Major Stoned wrote in post #48

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But I have a better price quote's than Cidly's, and Fed-Ex shipped. I my have to look into that company more. I do know they are a Trading Company established in 2000, and Onsite checked. Taiwan EPI chip.
Maybe Cidly can do better with prices, I hope so, I would rather buy directly from the manufacturer.

On a different subject, having your wisdom tooth pulled sucks. Hydocodone's cool though. 3 more wisdom's to go.

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